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Senator Feinstein's office has responded to our criticisms:

 

"Today's post on Senator Feinstein's amendment to the FISA bill contains a number of serious and misleading factual errors.  I write to correct the record, and I hope that you will update your post with this information.
 
1. You write the ACLU has been "vocal in their opposition" to the Feinstein amendment.  Not true.  They have not taken a position on the Feinstein amendment."

We are currently waiting on the ACLU's response on the Feinstein amendment, though it is correct they have not been "vocal" in opposition to it to this point.
 
2. Additionally, you quote Tim Sparapani, ACLU senior legislative counsel, as evidence of the ACLU's opposition.  This quote – which appeared in The Hill, not Roll Call – is not in reference to the Feinstein amendment, but to the Specter amendment.
 
              "The ACLU, meanwhile, has condemned the Specter amendment because it believes the measure leaves some loopholes open to the government."  (The Hill, DoJ, ACLU cool to Specter's FISA deal, 01/17/08) http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/doj-aclu-cool-tospecters-fisadeal-2008-01-17.html

 
We did not claim this quote applied to Feinstein's amendment directly. Instead we used it to illustrate the reasoning behind our own opposition to Feinstein's amendment. More on this below. They are correct that the email sent out to Courage Campaign members said the quote was from Roll Call not The Hill. It is our mistake.

3. As for the content of the Sparapani quote, it does not apply to the Feinstein amendment providing independent judicial review of immunity claims.
 
                   He said:  "Unless Congress wholly rejects [the] executive privilege or state secrets claims, there are legal hurdles that could prevent the full hearing of the matter in federal court," said Tim Sparapani, ACLU senior legislative counsel.  "We also oppose having the FISA court making the good faith determination unless outside parties are allowed to argue in front of the secret court, which has never happened before.  Otherwise, only one side is represented."
 
Let me explain how it doesn't apply:
· First, the Feinstein amendment specifically rejects the state secrets claim.
 
· Second, the Feinstein amendment specifically allows outside parties to argue their case in front of the FISA Court.  The court's ruling can also be appealed to a higher court.


But even if it allows outside parties (and even then only those who have already filed lawsuits, disempowering other Americans who have not yet filed), and even if their ruling can be appealed, that is still not the same as public, open courts handling this issue. And further, it would still potentially allow immunity - which we still flatly oppose - and would still use the discredited "good faith" determination to grant such immunity. The deck would remain stacked against plaintiffs and against the rule of law.

Bottom line:  This amendment preserves independent judicial review of the telecom company's immunity claims.  If it can be shown that the companies were not acting based on legal government certification and not in good faith, then their claims of immunity can be denied by the Court.


In yesterday's press release they said "OR" in good faith. Which is it - "and good faith" or "or good faith"?
 

This is a reasonable alternative.  It adds court review of any immunity.  It allows the companies and the plaintiffs to make their case before this federal court skilled in intelligence.


We strongly disagree that this is a reasonable alternative. It is wrong for the FISA court or the US Senate, directly or indirectly, to grant or make possible immunity for illegal activity. No matter how Feinstein dresses this up, this is fundamentally designed to give the appearance of protecting legal rights while setting up a process that is virtually certain to provide immunity anyway. 


Reader Comments
  
CREDO Mobile is with Courage on the Feinstein amendment
By Becky Bond Jan 24th 2008 at 1:30 pm PST
We have over half a million activists -- and our community has no problem coming out strongly against the Feinstein amendment.

Our official position is below.
Becky Bond / CREDO Action
Link

We oppose the Feinstein compromise on FISA. It plays into the hands of AT&T, Verizon and the Bush administration. Federal courts already have the power they need to handle cases against the telecom companies while protecting state secrets. Senator Feinstein's amendment is a recipe for immunity by secret court and amounts to an unnecessary turn away from the rule of law."

Michael Kieschnick
President and Co-Founder
Working Assets / CREDO Mobile
Re: CREDO Mobile is with Courage on the Feinstein amendment
By Eden James, Courage Campaign Jan 24th 2008 at 4:32 pm PST
Thanks Becky. That's great news.

CREDO Mobile has been leading on FISA for months now.

Now it's up to Senator Feinstein to be a leader.

Meanwhile, Julia Rosen, our Online Political Director, will be blogging about the "good faith" amendment at Crooks & Liars very soon. We'll post it here...

Eden James
Managing Director
  
"and" vs "or"
By David desJardins Jan 30th 2008 at 11:56 pm PST
You are misreading the response, if you think there is an ambiguity between "and" and "or", here.

The response says, "If it can be shown that the companies were not acting based on legal government certification and not in good faith, then their claims of immunity can be denied by the Court."

This is logically equivalent to the contrapositive formulation, "For their claim of immunity to be granted by the Court, either they must show that they were acting on legal government certification, or that they were acting in good faith."
  

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