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Clinton Campaign Responds to LA County Double Bubble Trouble
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Here is the short story, if you are just coming to it right now. Chron:

The Los Angeles system requires that decline-to-state voters not only ask specifically for a Democratic ballot - but also fill in a special bubble on the ballot specifically indicating their desire to vote on the Democratic presidential ticket. Failure to fill in the bubble voids their presidential ballot.

The Courage Campaign has contacted Los Angeles County election officials "demanding that they count the votes and that they inform voters of this 'bubble trouble,"' said Jacobs. "They finally agreed they didn't know how to count the votes."


Our lawyer Steve Reyes caught this over the weekend. This problem has existed for several cycles and was caught late. The Obama campaign held a conference call with reporters about this earlier today and one of our lawyers Steve Kauffman was on it. They are very much concerned, as we are that voter intent will not be determined. The law is pretty clear on this.

The Clinton Campaign on the other hand...

But Averell "Ace" Smith, campaign manager for California campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, said he is mystified by the Election Day complaints from the Obama team, since the rules for decline to state voters - specifically the requirement that request Democratic ballots - have been a matter of public record posted on the California Secretary of State's web site for months.

"Every California campaign has known the ground rules on this for three months," he said. "I can't imagine why they waited until 2 pm. on Election Day to wake up ... it strikes me as strange. If you wait until the last minute to complain, they must really be worried we're going to win."

"We've certainly worked with our voters for months and months" to educate them on the process, he said. "They're blaming other people for not having done their homework...this is nothing more than a cynical attempt to create confusion."


This is extremely disappointing. All the Courage Campaign has been asking for all along is that the Los Angeles County ROV finds a way to limit this from happening in the first place and then to make sure these votes are counted, if the word does not get out. That is all the Obama campaign is doing at this point. This is a localized problem to Los Angeles, but there are a lot of voters there who may have been effected.

This is all about determining voter intent. It is pretty clear when someone asks for a Democratic ballot and then votes for that person that they intended to vote for a Democrat. The second bubble is not necessary to determine intent. The ballot was designed this way to make vote tabulation faster, but the side effect is that voters are disenfranchised.

Kim Alexander, president of the California Voter Federation, a nonpartisan voter watchdog organization, said she believed that the LA County procedures represent "an unnecessary extra step" for voters.

"I understand why LA County does is, but I think there is the possibility that some voters will be unwittingly disenfranchised," though the county has chosen the system because it is more economical and enables them to count ballots faster, Alexander said.

And she said it could have major implications.

"It is a big deal in this election because California voters finally have a say in a presidential primary and LA is the state's largest voting district" encompassing all or parts of 12 Congressional Districts, she said. In California delegates are awarded to the candidates based on how well they do in the popular vote in a congressional district, and "if there is a big undercount, it could change the delegate count."


They need to count all of the votes.

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More Voting Problems
By Concerned Student Feb 5th 2008 at 8:09 pm PST
Check out this great op/ed on California's (and other states') voting problems: Link

The Courage Campaign should tackle this!
  
Fraud on Indpendent Voters
By Richard Feb 5th 2008 at 10:42 pm PST
Our Indpendent Official Sample Ballot said DO NOT VOTE THIS PAGE on page 1 and we thought that meant we could not vote on pages one. lthough we had heard that Indpendents could vote in primaries, we didn't think thousands of "official" ballots would be wrong. As a result we did not sk for Democrat ballot but took the Independent ballot. No one told us anything and we even did make an inquiry, but were given the Independent. So we never got to the bubble problem
  
WHAT MY VOTE WILL NOT COUNT
By Jack Jordan Feb 5th 2008 at 11:25 pm PST
I went to my precinct at Evergreen Park Recreational Gym in Boyle Hieghts. I asked for a Democratic Ballot. When I noticed the bubble on the top of the ballot I asked one of the volunteers for assistance to explain what that bubble was for. I specifically asked him, as he looked at my ballot in the slot, whether I needed to mark that bubble (Partisian bubble). He said "NO". I said are you sure and if I don't mark that bubble will my vote still count. He said "YES" I said are you sure? He said "YES"

I was just listening to the news to find out that my vote will not count. I am tired of the BS. They want people to go out and vote and yet they don't have well-qualified/informed individuals working the poles.

Why don't they just count the vote how it was elected on the ballot and not ask for more then what we are electing to choose, makes no sense to me.

As long as I singed the rooster with my ID in hand and indicated what ballot I wanted and it was noted on the rooster, should be enough. The extra bubble should not be on the ballot for a vote to count. Voting should not be a technical process. I is a simple individual right and should not be confused with a brain transplant.
Re: WHAT MY VOTE WILL NOT COUNT
By Anon Feb 5th 2008 at 11:45 pm PST
Also, my story gets worse. A polling place work took my unmarked/unvoted ballot and put in an envelope and put it in the sealed box, then gave me a sticker saying, 'congratulations, you have voted'. I told her I most certainly had not. They couldn't get my ballot out of the box, so I had to fill out another form and start over to get a second ballot. They assured me they would void the first unvoted-accidentally-put-in-th e-box ballot and that the 'real' ballot would be counted. I was told , yes, your vote will count. Then I hear on the news that I was supposed to mark 'Democrat' at the top!! And that because I did not do that, it won't count.
Re: WHAT MY VOTE WILL NOT COUNT
By Jase Feb 6th 2008 at 7:44 am PST
I am sorry, but this is majory BS. NO one EVER said anything about have to check that bubble. Bascially I just wasted an hour of my time because of this system, and my vote won't be counted, this is crap.
Re: WHAT MY VOTE WILL NOT COUNT
By Shelley Wax Feb 8th 2008 at 2:42 am PST
I tried writing this and sending to this site before so I'll try once again. I am a registered Democrat. My polling place is on the West side of LA. I was told that as I am a registered Dem, I should NOT punch the bubble for DEM. I now know that my vote will not be counted. I have spoken with the LA Times, and left messages for CNN, MSNBC, our Governor and I am not finished. I am proud to be a Californian - I admire our First Lady - and I will not be quiet. My friends in South Los Angeles and West Hills had the same problem, but not my friends in East Los Angeles. This is an outrage and intolerable in the United State of America.
  
Disenfranchised
By Anon Feb 5th 2008 at 11:36 pm PST
About a month ago, I registered online as a non-partisan who wanted to vote permanently by absentee ballot. I never received the ballot in the mail, so today, I went to the polls.

After all that effort, tonight, LATE, I hear on the news that I was supposed to mark "Democrat" or "American Independent" at the top of the ballot, and that if I did specify which, my vote would not be counted. Not only did I not select 'Democrat" at the top of the ticket, I don't recall seeing an area where I was supposed mark that.

Further, I told SEVERAL people manning those desks that I was a non-partisan voter. Not one single polling place worker told me I needed to mark Democrat (in addition to choosing the presidential candidate) in order for my vote to count. Do polling place workers receive any training whatsoever before being given these important jobs?

As to Clinton's campaign spokespersons thoughtless response to concerns about non-partisan voters being disenfranchised in Los Angeles County today, I can only say this: I WAS TRYING TO VOTE FOR CLINTON TODAY.

I am speechless. I will be in touch with various election official tomorrow, to ask a) what happened to my absentee ballot and b) to see if there is any way I can keep from being disenfranchised. I rather doubt it.
  
Knowing the Rules doesn't eliminate confusion
By nicki Feb 6th 2008 at 8:59 am PST
As a precinct captain for the Obama campaign in LA, I explained to my voters the ballots and what they needed to do. However, when some voters went to the polls they asked poll workers questions and they were told they didn't need to fill out the extra bubble as "democratic" some even told them to bubble "independent". Thinking that the pollworkers had a working knowledge of the system they didn't "double bubble" and thus their vote was lost. At the Obama campaign we went to great lengths to educate the voters we came in contact with. As a precinct captain you are not allowed to interfere with the pollworkers and therefore cannot always step in to correct misinformation. Clearly there was a great deal of confusion throughout the county. Voter intent should not be disregarded b/c of voter and pollworker confusion. As a precinct captain you do your best to inform the voter, but comprehension of a seemingly unnecessary step was clearly a problem for DTS voters throughout LA.
Disappointed to hear a lack of concern from Clinton campaign b/c disenfranchment of voters should be everyone's concern.
  
I was disenfranchised
By paul livadary Feb 6th 2008 at 10:23 am PST
When I was signing in the address book at the voting center yesterday morning in Pacific Palisades, I told them I was registered Independent and wanted to vote in the Democratic primary. They said fine, gave me the ballot, and directed me to the democratic booth. No mention of any bubble requirement. Of course I didn't even think to look for such a requirement since what I had heard was simply you had to ask for the ballot if as a decline to state I wanted to vote in the democratic primary. Needless to say I am very upset.
  
My vote for Obama didn't count.
By Christopher Glass Feb 6th 2008 at 10:59 am PST
I am finally starting to see why so many people for so many years hate the Clintons.

It proves that democracy in America is a "civilized" version of democracy in places like the Congo and Kenya. I would bet that the guy or guys who thought of this "bubble" are either supporters of the Clintons in the past or are current supporters of Clinton now. They found a legalese way of machete-ing off our voting arms. It's sneaky and ingenious. They knew that statistically a great percentage of people would overlook the extra, virtually hidden bubble. It all makes perfect sense, coming from legalese types that like to parse things like the word IS.
Re: My vote for Obama didn't count.
By Shelley Wax Feb 8th 2008 at 2:50 am PST
your comments are both disturbing yet confirming. I'd like to think that the HC campaign had some kind of ethical backbone - but apparently it does not. CA has become the SHOW ME state and apparently there is nothing worth showing. there is no stand, there is no backbone - there is consistent abuse of power which is precisely what needs to go. I wore an Obama button on my clothing - is that why I was misinformed? If not, let there be a recount.
Re: My vote for Obama didn't count.
By Janmarie Jones Feb 14th 2008 at 12:12 am PST
I totally agree with you. I had a lot of respect for ex-Pres. Clinton, until of late. He showed his TRUE colors along with his wife Hillary. I don't know why they can't just accept the fact, people want CHANGE we are tired of the old status quo. Hillary in the white house is the "same old crayon, just another color". Is this nation so backwards they refuse to let Obama in the white house. The people have spoken.....why pull the ballot BS as Bush did. What is the point of voting if they are going to put someone in the white house they want. Hillary's healthcare plan is a JOKE. Who wants to be forced to accept a healthcare plan that you have no say in or for that matter can't afford. If you don't accept it voluntarily....they will enforce via wage garnishment? Dah.....
This ballot box issue has got to stop. What is wrong with us. Why do we let the government force things down our throats and we do nothing.
Another Republican in the white house will totally destroy this country. First the jobs go overseas, now we are being forced out of our homes because of the "Enron Housing" issue? What's next.....America WAKE UP!
  
Bubble Trouble
By Rikke Feb 7th 2008 at 5:05 pm PST
I think that this is not a good thing but it is very true that the rules for this have been clear for a long time. is it your perspective that if there really were thousands of votes that were not counted that the outcome would have been different? I doubt it. California has been clearly for Hillary for a long time, even days before the election.

Thanks,
Rikke
Re: Bubble Trouble
By Shelley Wax Feb 8th 2008 at 2:52 am PST
Rikke- if you think so, then exactly what is the problem with counting the votes of Registered Democrats or does that for some strange reason, seem threatening? Get it together here.
  
Non-Partisan Voters in California
By Kate Feb 7th 2008 at 9:02 pm PST
As a registered non-partisan and poll worker, here's what we did in our precinct. Our county printed separate ballots for non-partisan democrat, non-partisan independent, and straight non-partisan. They were identical to the regular ballots except identified from the get go as non-partisan. We also received a table sign that informed non-partisans what their ballot choices were. As the roster officer, whenever a non-partisan signed in I pointed to the sign and asked the voter which ballot they wanted. If there were questions, they were shown the three ballots so they could decide. Managing those ballots was indeed a crazy polling task, but after reading about the double bubble, and finding out about polls that expected the voter to ask for a ballot, I'm proud of our county. As a non-partisan voter, putting the responsibility on the voter to ask for a ballot is worse than the double bubble. The separate ballots and sign forced us to enfranchise non-partisan voters.
  
voting in L.A.
By Sam Feb 8th 2008 at 7:03 pm PST
I noticed we did'nt have any trouble voting ourselves a new phone tax...
Re: voting in L.A.
By Jesse Feb 11th 2008 at 2:35 pm PST
I was at the Nevada caucuses, and after what I saw there, I'm sorry to have to say this.

We need to find out who the poll workers WERE at these polling places, and see which precincts churned out the most bad "DTS" ballots.

We then need to ask voters reporting problems to describe the polls workers who gave them bad information, and determine whether they are volunteers or paid workers of any campaign.

I saw "caucus workers" in Nevada, in Hillary shirts, telling African American voters that they "couldn't register today" immediately after I saw the exact same poll workers register older white women. At least there, they were wearing the shirts and we knew what was up.

Same day registration was allowed in Nevada, just to make that clear.

I have not the slightest doubt that a systematic review would show that younger voters, men, and African Americans were massively and disproportionately affected by this.
  

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